An Interview-in-Excerpts with Janice Lee

Janice Lee is a writer, artist, editor, designer, curator, and scholar. Interested especially in the relationships between metaphors of consciousness, theoretical neuroscience, and experimental narrative, her creative work draws upon a wide variety of sources. Her obsessive research patterns lead her to making connections between the realms of technology, consciousness studies, design theory, the paranormal & occult, biological anthropology, psychology, and literary theory. She is the author of KEROTAKIS (Dog Horn Press, 2010), Daughter(Jaded Ibis, 2011), and Damnation (Penny-Ante Editions, October 2013). She currently lives in Los Angeles where she teaches at CalArts & is Co-Editor of the online journal [out of nothing], Reviews Editor at HTMLGIANT, and Founder/CEO of POTG Design.

 

An excerpt from her novel, Damnation, appeared in Issue Fifty of The Collagist.

 

Here, Janice Lee answers interview questions "in the form of excerpts"--with further excerpts from her book. Enjoy!

What is writing like?

Sometimes one willingly enters a dark and empty space, the creaking of the loose boards below, the phantom moonlight above.

- I had a dream that I was carrying a wounded deer in my arms. He lay there limp, depending on me completely and solely for the permission to go on living. Then I dropped him into the river. How can you forgive an act like that? Why were we only made to die?

What isn’t writing like?

A little hunched man is hitting him with a stick. His hands are only nubs and so is unable to fight back. But he can open his mouth, and does, and words come out, as if speaking for the first time. 

When you do it, why?

Sometimes in fear or just bountiful curiosity, we look out the window to envision a new day, a new world, a place with flowers and fountains and people bustling from place to place. We push the curtains aside, stare hard through the rain, focus, and see a cow emerge from behind a dilapidated brick building across the way. Nothing lies in front of him but a vast overwhelming scene of wet mud and glimmering streaks on the ground that pile up and pile down and zigzag through each other like the traces of many movements across and through the town, the strange blueprints of a dance only the cows seem to know the music to. The single cow slowly becomes many, more brown faces emerging from behind the building, and together they make their way towards the western edge of town. No one leads them or chases them but it seems that they all know their way. They take their time—they have their entire lives after all—and one pauses to attempt to mount another, a loud moo piercing the damp air, and another separates for a moment to look in the direction of someone watching them, a contemplative look in its eyes (what do cows contemplate so early in the morning?). Our eyes shift left and we see a few other cows emerge from an alleyway, mooing at the first herd (what are they saying to each other?), their eyes darting around in different directions and their ears absorbing the silence of the wind (though it is not silence, there is the low droning of the wind’s movements through the trees and between the houses, a particular feeling the wind gives, not necessarily a sound), a crow cawing eerily in the distance, and then the cows again, all together, bunched up on the road in front of the doctor’s house, before heading out on the road north out of town, each matching the pace of the others.

When you don’t, why?

Sometimes we forget what we see the moment we’ve seen it. 


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An Interview-in-Excerpts with Tara Ison

Tara Ison is the author of the novels Rockaway, The List, and A Child Out of Alcatraz. For more info, see http://www.taraison.com.

An excerpt from her novel, "Rockaway," appeared in Issue Forty-Nine of The Collagist.

Here, Tara Ison answers interview questions "in the form of excerpts"--with further excerpts from her book. Enjoy!

What is writing like?

All right, she thinks. You're all ready to begin. She selects a canvas, positions it perfectly on her easel. Mytilus edulis, she thinks, looking at her gaping shell. The common blue mussel. She seizes a tube of pthalo blue, punctures it open.

There. You have begun.

Then dioxazine purple. Aureolin yellow, viridian, ivory, iron oxide black. She studies the moist little squeezings of color on her palette. Even with the employee discount she’d spent a fortune on these studio-sized tubes in her wooden case: Old Holland, the best. Excellent strength of color and lightfastness, no cheap fillers, their pigments still fine-ground by old-fashioned stone rollers and mixed with cold-pressed, sun-bleached virgin linseed oil, each tube packed by hand. She has recited that to customers for over ten years, using her old college canvases as example and display, and, before quitting, purchased herself this grand spectrum. She must be careful not to waste them, all these rich colors.

 The sun through a picture window reflects off the virgin canvas in a harsh, hurtful way. A blank canvas is awful, an insult, she thinks. A sin. You must overcome the sin of the blank canvas.

She seizes a brush. It is a ragged, windy day; sand flecks the window glass and the wooden frames are rattling in their sockets. She sets the brush down, contemplates the mussel, its faint pearlescence, then, determined, punctures one more tube and squeezes out a healthy dollop of rose dore madder. She picks up a palette knife, dips its edge, taps, makes pretty red dots on the palette. Like smallpox, she thinks. Measles. A coughed spray of consumptive blood. Focus, Sarah, she tells herself. Stop playing around. Carpe diem yourself. Seize this opportunity to express and define who you are, now. Fresh start.

She puts the palette knife down, swigs beer, and looks out toward the ocean. A seagull hangs, floats in reverse for a moment, fighting the wind, then flies away beyond her view. At the seam of horizon and sea is a large ship, a tanker, she decides, or some kind of freighter. A liner, maybe a cruise vessel. She thinks of buying an illustrated book about ships, all the different kinds. The ship slowly crosses the three picture windows, absorbing the afternoon. You should have at least sketched the ship, she thinks, too late, as it passes from her last framed view. She gets up, rinses her unused brushes in naphtha in her bathroom sink, props them head-up in jars to dry. She scrapes the red from her knife, wipes it, sets her palette aside. The image of a ship, perfect in its wandering free, floating shipness. A floating seagull. Or the ocean itself, the view from your window, the waves and all that beautiful sky. A simple seascape. You should just paint whatever you see, at the moment, in the moment, to get you started. Set you on the path. Why don’t you just do that? Like a prompt. Yes, that's what you'll do. She rips from A Collector’s Guide to Seashells of the World several color plates of the more florid, exotic shells and scotch tapes them, careful not to give herself papercuts, over the framed photos of Nana Pearl’s family hung in groupings on the walls of her room.

The humming, relentless sound of breaking waves is beginning to get on her nerves. It is starting to feel as if two conch shells are clamped on her head, trapping the sea’s whispery rise and falls against her ears.

What isn’t writing like?

In her first moments on the empty beach—A walk first thing will clear your head, she tells herself, freshen and focus your vision, maybe you’ll even go for a swim in that promising sea—she spots a clamshell larger than she’s ever seen, sticking up from the sand like a highway divider flap. She brushes it free of grit and plans to hold onto it as a keepsake of this time, until she realizes the entire beach is mosaicked with these huge clamshells, like expensive, themed floor tiling. She switches her allegiance to oyster shells, which, though plentiful, are smaller and harder to spot in the sand. Every day after her morning toast and coffee, then again in the late afternoon before tea and fruit, she makes a ritual of striding the sand to gather one or two oyster shells hued in grays, only the rare, perfect, unbroken ones. They look like little spoons, she thinks. If you were trapped on a desert island, you could collect oyster shells to make yourself spoons. She pictures herself shipwrecked, blissfully, eternally alone, living on seafood and shredded coconut, painting with fresh-squeezed squid ink and wild berry juices. She brings the shells up to her room—pausing to rinse them, and her bare feet, free of sand with the hose Avery leaves on the front porch—and lays them out carefully on the dresser; as the days pass it looks like dinner service for four, then six, then eight, then twelve, awaiting a houseful of convivial guests and a course of soup. She shreds open her UPS box, carefully props her canvases against the walls of her room, arranged so their creamy faces can gaze expectantly upon her.  

She remembers an old prison movie from TV, where the warden warns an incoming inmate in a voice lethal with courtesy: Your time here can be hard, or your time here can be soft. It’s all up to you.

Exactly, she thinks. She feels buoyant, untethered, full of faith.

When you don't do it, why?

During the beach walks her head pulses with the (interestingrecent) art she will make. Images flash in bold, flat-bristled strokes; shapes and colors snap like flags. The new work will offer insight. Will communicate and express her vision. But when she returns to her easel overlooking the sea, the visions split off to pixels, scattered as broken bits of shell in the sand. Her blank canvases stare at her, wide-eyed and waiting. The pulses creep into faint throbs at the back of her head.

Relax, Sarah, she tells herself. You haven’t done this in a while, is all. You’re not used to having this kind of time and focus and space. You’re still acclimating. Don’t overworry it.

She starts carrying a sketchpad with her on beach walks, one of the many bought for this sojourn, all hardbacked like bestsellers. She dutifully strolls back and forth along the shoreline, admiring the expansive and eclectic beachfront houses—Cape Cod, Queen Anne, Art Moderne—sits on a baby dune of sand, cracks the pad open to thick, blanched pages. But then, sitting and clutching a stick of pricey high-grade charcoal, she sees nothing. Her hand wavers over the page as if palsied. The sunlight hurts her eyes, blanks out her brain. The breeze threatens her with grit. It is oddly chilly here, for summer. She retreats into the house with the sheet of paper ruined, crisped from sun and sticky with salt, all for nothing.

The tap water here runs out cloudy; when she fills a glass she must pause for the swirl of opaque minerals and molecules to settle. The glass clears from the bottom, up, fizzing slightly, while she jiggles a foot, holding the slippery glass carefully, waiting.

You have to remember, she thinks: rituals take time. They are invisible in the happening, we don’t see them until they have become.

She decides not to shower or wash her hair until she has completed one perfect painting.

When you do it, why?

The next morning while munching toast and browsing through A Collector’s Guide to Seashells of the World, Sarah doodles an idea of a shell on the sports section of Newsday, which she is using as a placemat, just below her coffee mug’s damp brown ring. It is not a very identifiable shell, nothing pictured in the book, perhaps some kind of generic gastropod. She looks at it a moment, then sketches in the gastropod’s clumsy little foot, peering out. She is using the black ballpoint pen Bernadette keeps for phone messages, and it blobs a bit, messing things up. She dumps her crumbs on top of the shell and sports section and scoops it all into the box Avery uses for recyclable paper...

Halfway up the stairs to her room she stops and returns to the kitchen. She digs through the trash box and fishes out her insignificant inky shell on the crumbed and coffee-ringed newspaper. She takes the drawing up to her room with her and sits, tracing it with a finger, studying the blank canvas on her easel, while outside the picture window the glassy acid-green waves break with their rushing, hushing sound and stretch to foam on the sand.

 

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"An Apology Cast Wide": An Interview with Kristen Gleason

Kristen Gleason was born in 1979. She has lived in California, Montana, Norway, and Georgia. Her writing has appeared in Quarterly West, Everyday Genius, Columbia: A Journal of Literature and Art, Caketrain, and elsewhere.

Her story, "The Rider," appeared in Issue Forty-Eight of The Collagist.

Here, Kristen Gleason talks with interviewer William Hoffacker about illiteracy, an old theatre, and a jacket with a polar bear on the back.

Please tell us about why you began writing “The Rider.” What inspired you?

When I lived in the north of the north, I visited a very old theatre and that theatre was the world in miniature and on the stage of that world everyone’s empathy disappeared. This story is an apology cast wide.

This story is packed with fresh, amusing combinations of words and odd turns of phrase (e.g., “her chicken-footed house” and “emptied them with double gulp”). Reading such lines, I was reminded of how a person might speak in a second language s/he isn’t completely fluent in. What effect(s) did you intend for these linguistic quirks to have on the reader?

I’m not really in control!

Mastery is gross. It isn’t real. I don’t know about you, but all my practice has made me illiterate, and in situations where my literacy is presumed, I like to be exposed as a fraud by someone getting it powerfully wrong, someone clean of practice and fresh as hell, just as I like to be the Bu who, in a different country, isn’t ruined yet. This could be a feeling that someone could feel, reading this story, if I were lucky.  

The story begins one night, then flashes back as the narrator recounts the events of the previous evening. What made you decide to include both these nights rather than just the one that makes up the majority of the narrative? What is the significance of bookending this piece with Bu recalling one night’s events only twenty-four hours later?

There was not just a hat. There was also a jacket. The jacket was made of black fleece. On the front it was plain, with a zipper, but on the back of the jacket—on the back of Bu—was a polar bear, teeth bared, paws raised. This was the jacket he wore during those few hours he was not waiting, but the jacket was too affecting to show, though he had to have worn it in the interim for the rest to even matter, so—two nights.

The final sentence really solidified the story’s emotional power for me: “Linn arrived in the snowy street, and the two of them laughed, not greeting me, not drinking what I'd bought, not warming by my fire, but watching me wait on the wide, wide stage of the world's theatre.” I noticed that the story begins and ends with Bu waiting and alone. What feelings were you trying to capture and/or evoke by leaving Bu in such an uncomfortable position?

The feeling of his jacket.

Let’s talk about the story’s title. Why “The Rider”? Who is this “unlucky rider, trapped on the spine of the white mare” that Bu speaks of? What does the rider represent to you?

No single thing. I’d been looking at Theodor Kittelsen’s Gutt på hvit hest

What writing projects are you working on now?

A novel about a fake poet.

What have you read recently that you are eager to recommend?

Farnoosh Fathi’s Great Guns. I recently read and loved Ship of Fools by Katherine Anne Porter. FrankensteinSpleen by Olive Moore.

 

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"Death by Bear Is Highly Impersonal": An Interview with Amanda Marbais

Amanda Marbais' work has appeared in Hobart web, Monkeybicycle, TRNSFR and elsewhere.  She is the Managing Editor for Requited Journal.

Her story, "Horribilis," appeared in Issue Forty-Eight of The Collagist.

Here, Amanda Marbais talks with interviewer William Hoffacker about obsessive characters, humor, and grizzly bears.

Please tell us about how/why you began to write “Horribilis.”

Like my character, I’m terrified of grizzly bears. We’ve hiked a few times in Montana, and I’m more comfortable with bear territory now. But last trip, a group of us spotted fresh bear scat on the trail, a giant heap of in-season huckleberries, the color of digested purple crayon. The bear scat ramped the stakes, and we began general bear safety of talking loudly, clapping our hands, and unsheathing bears spray cans. A few yards up the trail, we saw a mother and two cubs on the hillside. (No one was hurt. We discovered a ranger and a group of people nearby.)

There have been only a few dozen bear-related deaths in the last century in the US. There is so little chance of being killed by a bear, a terrorist, or a shooter. Yet, I think the threat of certain violent deaths scare us more than others. We all know eventually, death will happen. But, I think there are small fleeting moments, when we’re suddenly okay with the impersonal nature of death. Death by bear is highly impersonal. I suppose seeing the mother bear was one of those moments when my terror was immediately replaced with awe. (Although, I might not have had such a profound response if the bear took a bite out of me. Then I would have written a different kind of story.)

Your sense of humor shines through very prominently in this story (as in sentences like “To have a cat phobia is to not be able to use the Internet”). At what point in the drafting process do these funny lines generally enter into a story like this (e.g., perhaps you’ve thought of them before the story has begun in earnest, or the humor comes later in revision)?

Most often, these lines emerge in the “first draft” stage, which might stretch over several sittings. (My first drafts are sprawling.) I’m genuinely entertaining myself with those lines. And, they motivate me to run forward with a work, especially in the second and third and fourth, etc. drafts. But most lines come during a stage of writing new content, and never when I’m shaping text or focusing on sentences.

There are times when those lines are ripped off from a conversation, especially those I have with my spouse, who is also a writer. In that way they become a kind of time-capsule about what’s happening in my life, although that’s not the primary intention. Still, it can be a positive effect, spurring me to remember the emotional state I was in, and that opens other scenes, patches of exposition, and characterization.

Our protagonist is a woman who keeps a long list of her phobias, and the character we see her interact with the most is her therapist. What appeals to you about writing for such a neurotic character with a complicated, emotional inner life? What were the challenges of occupying this protagonist’s headspace and writing in first-person as her for a while?

I frequently use this neurotic narrator. First, it gives me the opportunity to make a lot of jokes. But also, I think exaggerating this obsessive inner life, helps me define the character’s features. Her neurosis is born out of her largely unresolved fear of death. Like many of my characters, she is myopic, and it’s the origin of her trouble.

I’m not as neurotic as my narrator. But, I did use her to inflate my own issues with mortality. I like to use obsessive characters to extrapolate about larger fears like growing old, feeling cut off from others, and fears about failing relationships. Obsessive characters allow me room to demonstrate a greater disparity between a character’s sheer joy and her general discomfort with life. The upshot is, I can have them say crazy things.

There are a great deal of pop culture references in this short story, everything from Magnum P.I. to Girl Talk to SheRa. Do you often find these recognizable names making their way into your work? What makes these references meaningful and/or useful to you?

I’m torn on the pop-culture references and often try to steer away from them. (Then they inevitably show up.) I grew up on television and movies. At young ages I associated TV characters’ canned emotional responses with something I was expected to feel, myself. Life is obviously much more complicated than sitcom scenarios, thank god.

I’m interested in this breakdown between the way we feel we’re supposed to experience emotion and the way we actually experience emotion in daily life. A character I’m using in a different piece compares her feelings for her best friend to “how Joan Jett feels for the Blackhearts and Balky feels for his cousin,” which means, she really doesn’t know how she feels at that part in the story, but she has an idea of how she’s supposed to feel. And, the comparison is intended to be absurd.

What writing projects are you working on now?

I’m working on a novel that is a crime-drama, family tragedy. It has the same neurotic voice. And, even in times of betrayal, there are probably inappropriate asides. Even when there’s a murder, there are inappropriate asides.

What have you read recently that you are eager to recommend?

I read a lot of great stuff this summer, when I wasn’t teaching. I would recommend a whole list, but the most recent were The MiddlesteinsAwait Your Reply, and Tampa. All three of these books were great. Tampa, though, seems to be generating a lot of stir I find interesting. If you haven’t read it yet, it’s about a sociopath completely driven by her sexual appetite for 14-year-old boys. (It’s effectively disturbing.) There is an impressive lack of equivocating in the narrative, and that helps it succeed. But, for me, Tampais at its best when the passages are both absurd and sensational. (And there are many.)

 

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