"Presence in the Face of Absence": An Interview with Lâle Davidson

Lâle Davidson teaches fiction writing at SUNY Adirondack where she was recently promoted to Distinguished Professor. Her stories have appeared in The North American Review, Eclectica, and Gone Lawn among others. She was a finalist for the Franz Kafka Award issued by Doctor T.J. Eckleburgh Review as well as the Black Lawrence Chapbook Contest of 2015 and The Talking Writing Award for humorous writing advice. Her story “The Opal Maker” was named top fifty of 2015 very short fiction publications by Wigleaf. Her magical realist novel, The Ciphery, was a finalist for the Heekin Group Foundation James Fellowship. She is a lifestyle blogger for The Times Union. Her story, “The Intensest Rendezvous” goes live with Fickle Muse on Nov. 29. For links to her stories and essays, visit Laledavidson.com.

Her story, "The Opal Maker," appeared in Issue of The Collagist.

Here, she speaks with interviewer Dana Diehl about Secret Caverns, the neo-cortex, and metaphor as a form of magic.

Where did this story begin for you?

About twenty years ago, my oldest sister underwent open-heart surgery to repair a torn valve. She is eleven years older than I am and had been a sort of surrogate mother when I was a child, but she was dealing with her own abandonment issues. When I transitioned from child to adult, our relationship fell apart. I was wounded when she refused my offer to come out to Cleveland where she was having the surgery. She felt my presence would be a drain rather than a help. Years later, we had another falling out and I wrote a poem about it that started with the image of cracking the ribs open and ended with the choking scene. I put it in a file and forgot about it. I found it again last year, and after reading Amber Spark’s short shorts, I saw how easily it could be a story. It was too one-sided, so I explored how both characters fed into the dynamic. The opal-making part was one of those inspirations that feels like a gift from beyond. Not sure where it came from. Love it when that happens.

I love the imagery in this piece: “I hadn't developed very far, my limbs flat and folded in on themselves, a plant caught under a stone, my skin opaque, ridged and pruney as a water-logged lizard.” “The bright lights in my mind went out and were replaced by pale mushrooms.” The places your metaphors take us are intimate and quiet—the damp space under stones, the mushrooms that grow in forests. Did this imagery evolve naturally or was it something you struggled for?

Thank you. I’m not sure I remember properly, but it seems to me that it came fairly easily. Not that they always do. Sometimes I have to rewrite a line and read it aloud fifteen times before it sounds right. But in this case, I had used the imagery of the plant under a stone before to describe feelings I’d had about my father not developing as a fully relational human being, and the lights in the darkness come from going the Secret Caverns in Cobleskill NY, not far from where I live. When they turn off the lights underground, you are swallowed by darkness more total than night. Vivid colors bloomed in my mind. The guide told me that when one sense is deprived, our mind puts it to work elsewhere. Put that together with what it’s like to be underwater and I figure that’s what it feels like to be in a womb. Sometimes our daily experiences are timed just right to provide us with the images we need for a particular piece. Or maybe the experience is what drives you to pick that piece back at that particular time.

On your website you talk about being drawn to stories where “reality is just a little off the beaten track.” Can you speak to how “The Opal-Maker” fits into your larger body of work? What conversations is it (or is it not) having with the other stories you’ve written?

I write often about internal realities—about how the more primitive part of our brains, the amygdala, sees things. Though we spend most of our day in our neo-cortex, I think that other part of the brain is always awake and perceiving reality in a more, instantaneous, visceral and imagistic way. This kind of writing also answers my spiritual yearnings a heightened, altered state. But I also just like metaphor. I like how metaphor helps us to see something more clearly by calling it what it’s not. It’s a form of magic. And I like how words generate a certain kind of energy when you juxtapose them in certain ways. Words in and of themselves are a kind of magic, making presence in the face of absence.

You’re also a teacher. Do you find that teaching informs your creative work?

Totally.  In college, I was a very intuitive, organic, unconscious and defensive writer. I was quite blocked, and I resented everything my creative writing teachers told me. I didn’t understand their criticisms—or maybe their criticisms weren’t very good back in the 1980’s. But as a teacher, after reviewing a lot of creative writing texts, I found that Janet Burroway’s Writing Fiction text provided clear descriptions of how stories work, and that has helped me to pinpoint where my stories were going off track.

Imagine that “The Opal-Maker” had a soundtrack. Name one song that would be on that mix.

What a wonderful coincidence that you ask that question. I created a soundtrack playlist for the novel I’m currently working on. I use it to get myself back into the right mood when I’ve been away from a particular chapter too long. I’d use one of those songs for this story as well: “Le Premier Bonheur du Jour” from Pink Martini. I heard it first in a Nia dancing class, but was intrigued to find out that it was used in American Horror Story, Freakshow. Some mornings, to warm up to writing, I listen to music and draw or dance.

What projects are you working on now?

I’m currently working on a semi-autobiographical magical realist novel called The Ciphery. The title is a made up word, a combination of  “cipher” and “sorcery.” It’s about a young woman who fights to reclaim her own reality and identity after it’s shattered by the spontaneous combustion of her narcissistic mother on the altiplano between Chile and Bolivia. After the combustion, Fallon grows up merged with her emotionally abusive bi-polar brother, but when he commits suicide, she sets out cross country in search of her only surviving brother. Spanning the South and North American continents, Fallon’s journey is more than a coming of age story, it’s an exploration of how the psychological, cultural and communal transactions with the physical world construct reality.

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"The Engines of Repetition": An Interview with Michael Bazzett

Michael Bazzett’s work has appeared in Ploughshares, Massachusetts Review, Pleiades, Oxford Poetry, 32 Poems and Poetry Northwest. His debut collection, You Must Remember This (Milkweed Editions, 2014) won the Lindquist & Vennum Prize for Poetry, and his verse translation of the Mayan creation epic, The Popol Vuh, is forthcoming from Milkweed in 2016.

His poems, "The Truth," "Homeric," and "Humbleman," appeared in Issue Seventy-Three of The Collagist.

Here, he speaks with interviewer Christina Oddo about numbing power of words, repetition, and the paradox of using words to dismantle illusions created by words (cool, right?).

What prompted a one-stanza piece?

It just seemed to come out whole, in a single moment & voice. The enjambment created momentum and kind of glued the poem together.

What holds the various images (cat, bee, the stone-thrower) together for you as the writer? 

I was just following the lead of the poem, which seemed preoccupied with the numbing power of words, how they can deaden and soothe. Clichés and proverbs, as a sort of fossilized wit, sometimes catch my ear sideways. I imagine the first time an observer remarked that someone was as single-minded, maniacally focused and relentlessly busy as a bee, it must have been fresh: “That dude was insecting!” The same with the wisdom of glass-house dwellers throwing stones. Where the phrase “the cat’s pajamas” came from, I have no idea.

What is the underlying truth arising out of repetition? What is the relationship between this truth and the man's announcement in the last line?

Say something 40 times and it becomes true. All ideologies have their dogma that infuse and influence us through repetition and replication, and it’s impossible to be fully awake and aware of the stories we inhabit. We would need to re-invent a new language every morning. But there’s a paradox in using words to pierce and dismantle the illusions created by words -- and at the end of the day, they’re all we have. I think the deafness to the man’s “announcement” at the end stems somewhat from the numbness that comes from living inside of the narrative equivalent of comfort food, but also from the fact that it, too, is a stock ending, something Montgomery Burns says on the Simpsons: “Release the hounds!”

What are you currently reading?

Notes on a Scandal – Zoë Heller  (Utterly delicious.)
Czelaw Milosz – New and Collected Poems
The Star By My Head: Poets from Sweden  

What are you writing?

I working on my next book of poems, tentatively called untitled & invisible.

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“Bright Things Still Exist”: An Interview with Jessica Lee Richardson

Jessica Lee Richardson’s first book, a short story collection called It Had Been Planned and There Were Guides, won the Ronald Sukenick Innovative Fiction Prize and is due out from FC2 this September. Her stories and poems won awards from the National Society of Arts and Letters and the F. Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald museum and have been featured online at The Short Form, Ploughshares, and the Authonomy Sunday Shorts Series by Harper Collins. Her fictions have appeared or are forthcoming in the Atlas Review, Big Lucks, Caketrain, Hobart, Indiana Review, [PANK], Joyland, and Western Humanities Review, among other places. You can read some of these at www.jessicaleerichardson.com.

Her story, "Roebling," appeared in Issue of The Collagist.

Here, Jessica Lee Richardson talks to interviewer Thomas Calder about the marriage of half stories, to baby or not to baby, and the staggering beauty that is the first book.

There are a lot of great images in this story: an umbilical cord cut by teeth, tornadoes chasing their own tales, a baby’s survival like a whale tail breach. Was there a specific line or image that sticks out in your memory as the starting off point for this story?

This is a great question and it prompts me to tell you a secret. Originally Roebling was two separate stories. I began one of them when—not too terribly long after Hurricane Sandy—Seaside Heights and Seaside Park caught on fire. The childlike images of Funtown consumed by flames really haunted me for a couple of weeks. Somehow a baby born in a sink in the middle of a fire was born of this image haunting.

I may have been trying to work something out about disaster. How devastation, individual or collective, doesn’t so much delete beauty as correspond with it—even sometimes hold hands with it—despite itself. In emotional time, this fire was too soon after Sandy, which displaced my family, which was too soon after the Tuscaloosa tornado, which displaced me, which was too soon after someone I loved was killed in a bus accident, which.

Displaced a town’s heart. A couple of towns. Families. Mine.

This sounds really terrible and is a huge gloss, and is probably an ill-advised way to start off an interview. But the thing I was trying to work out I guess, on one level anyway, was how Funtown, imagistically speaking, is still there in the middle of all of this. Precious, vulnerable, bright things still exist. Must be attended to. You feel kind of guilty when everything has fallen apart for yourself, or worse, for others, and you still go to dance parties.

But you’ve got to still go to dance parties.

Good times and bad times, as it turns out, are at the same time, and are all the time.

Anyway, this is of course overly simplistic, after the fact thinking. In answer to your question, the images I started with were the baby in the sink and the fire, tangentially born of images like this:

 

Months later, I wrote the falling in love and the yoga scene. It was the voice of the protagonist more than her pregnancy that told me that I was writing the same woman. She was pissed about her love, about carrying it. The sound in her reminded me of the sound in the birthing woman and I retrieved the half-story and married them. There were whole other parts lost to the ages with ambulances and things. I really wanted a certain kind of pressure on the forward momentum. In disaster there is nowhere to go but forward into the next moment. Love is not so different in that sense.

There are of course metaphors about being consumed, about having your life and your fun/town consumed in the sex death continuum while it needs to stand and to celebrate that were at work in both original stories.

I really enjoyed the tonal shifts throughout the piece. Your narrator’s voice rides the spectrum of the poetic to the colloquial to the crass. These aren’t mutually exclusive of course, but within the story these shifts work really well in capturing the madness of love, as well as the distracted and chaotic nature of it. What was the process like in capturing this voice?

I had peeked ahead at the questions and so I already started talking about voice in advance. But here is another secret (you really aren’t letting me get away with anything) (I like you) the voice in this story is a voice not unlike what mine sounds like when I am in a disaster situation. Except it’s older. I think I took that—I can’t even call it a voice—just a driving pressure that I am now familiar with—a please be honest with me sound, a this is how it is now, right?,  an okay then hand me a chainsaw/what time is the dance party? kind of pressure, and I put it inside of an older woman who had to try to be responsible amidst this. And keep the kid alive.

Our whole existence is this beautiful rebellion against how the story ends and this voice is one with its fist in the air (while the other hand clings to the most precious living part of itself for dear life).

As a woman, you see the literal, external kids coming down the pike, too. Whether you decide to have them or not, to baby or not to baby takes up a lot of your existence at a certain age. My age. So there is maybe a cultural voice seeping into the main voice here too. That may be some of the texture you were hearing.

The main voice is a place I can go when necessary. A place I even want to go as long as things aren’t really being wrecked for me personally this-minute in real time, because there is great, shattering love in that lover/mother survival space. And irreverence. And bitter honesty.

Fire plays a big role in your story, functioning on levels both literal and metaphorical. Did this come about in the initial draft or was this something that evolved through the drafting process?

Initial draft, yes. Fire started the party. But I did try, in subsequent drafts, to allow form to burn content—thank you for noticing!

Fire is an onward pressure too.

It’s all saying go, basically. Go.

Your first book, a collection of short stories called It Had Been Planned and There Were Guides, is coming out this month. I imagine this is a very exciting time for you. I would love to hear more about it.

It is an exciting time! Yes, my first book is coming out right now.

You probably want to hear about the book, but I want to talk about having a book come out. It’s my first time so I am giddy about it. It really brings people together to make something, and that is the overall point, I guess, of making things, and that seems really obvious and dumb, but it is a staggeringly beautiful thing to witness and engage in such intimacy with readers. And I got to make a book trailer with my best friend, and all these other friends stepped in to help. And another jumped in with the cover art. Others have thrown or secured readings for me. People from high school who I haven’t seen in a hundred years are reading it and posting about it. I feel like I’m naked in front of a crowd sometimes and I get a stomach ache, but it is still better than the greatest good I imagined having a book published would be.

The book itself is called It Had Been Planned and There Were Guides. It places fabulist stories (like being made of grandfathers) next to realist stories (like taking a ride on a concrete boat) and asks is it really so far off for a girl to feel made of grandfathers, and is it really so realistic that you can take rides on a concrete boat? The stories are interested in power, as I guess all stories are.

I am not sure I believe in agency. I guess that’s a radical thing to just throw out there toward the end of an interview. Okay, I concede—I believe it can and does exist as a life construct for some people, and it is an excellent goal to have, but I think agency is a privileged conceit. I am supposed to infuse my characters with it, and my sentences, and I see the argument, but I am not sure it is accurate cultural commentary at all. Or it’s only a reflection of a relatively small part of the culture.

Many of us are lucky to try at our best impression of winging it.

I guess I am messing with the idea of agency and the language surrounding and enforcing the idea in this book. “Controlling the uncontrollable,” as one of my colleagues at Coastal Carolina called it, is both a stylistic and thematic project.

I try to make it a fun journey, though. There are lots of jokes and hopefully rich locales. It isn’t just an exercise.

What project are you currently working on?

Oh boy. I am really scattered in the projects right now! I almost have a second story collection. I’m working on that more than anything else. Roebling is in it. Instead of placing realism and fabulism side by side, like in It Had Been Planned and There Were Guides, this new book I’m working on mixes the rules in every story. It’s a bit more lyrical and less ruckus, for better or worse. The strangeness exists but is quieter:  swimming beneath airports and growing cloven hoofs and navigating musical dystopias. Nearly all of the stories take place in, on, or next to water.

I have two novels in process too. One is about emotional contagion and weather. The other is about a group of kids that think they are psychic. The first exists, it’s just messy. The second is only tiny and I shouldn’t talk about it too much or I’ll scare it.

I also have a book of prose poems and a book of poetry going.

I warned you.

I feel like a sham saying all this, though, because I am really busy and only dribbling along right now. Having a book come out is the best thing to have happen in some ways, but it’s the worst thing to have happen to a writing practice. I am going to just pick a time in the near future where I say, okay first book, I will always love you but you have to go and live your own life now. I have some writing to do.

What have you been reading lately?

I just talked about the books I’m reading for Drunken Boat and nothing has really changed except I am done with Geek Love. Finally! Not that I’m glad to be done with it, I was just embarrassingly late to the party, as I am with many books. But we all are, right? There are so many and it’s the most painfully deluxe luxury. What I loved most that I read this week was Natalie Eilbert’s poem in the New Yorker “The Limits of What We Can Do and Ursula LeGuin’s short story “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas,” which I have read thirty-seven times because I teach it. But it struck me so powerfully this last time. Again. I love her. A new (late to the party) poetry book I started was Carrie Lorig’s The Pulp vs. The Throne. So far SO delighted.

Thank you for asking.

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